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24 Jul, 2003

Buymusic.com – BUYER BEWARE!!!

Posted by: Jennifer In: product review

Issue has been (somewhat) resolved (but I still don't plan on buying from them again) (See bottom of post for resolution)

Breaking the format here a bit, because I wanted to give a quick little review of my experiences with buymusic.com.

I've seen an article on Wired.com about this (thanks ste) and it seems already people aren't thrilled with the licensing format that is in place on these music files. I can almost accept the fact that you'll have to jump through hoops if you want to be able to download your music. Look, the music industry is whining that they're losing money thanks to mp3s – the public wants to be able to get their music their way (which right now is digitally) – I can agree to compromise.

What I can't agree to is bad customer service. If they're going to have these tight restrictions about the files – they're also going to have to be flexible when things don't go perfectly – as we all know can happen when you're working with computers.

Here's my personal experience with them…

On Wednesday night, I purchased two albums from them. (Not just individual songs, I figured I'd go the full 9-yards and buy the whole album)

First problem. After you buy an album, you need to download it. Sure, I knew that. What I didn't know is that you have to download EACH SONG INDIVIDUALLY. One click per song. With two large sized albums with many songs on it – it can be just a LITTLE annoying.

Ok. We're compromising, right? I'll suck it up and deal.

After all the songs downloaded, I tried to play them. Second problem. Before each song plays – it has to download and verify your license. You can't mulitple select a bunch and do this. You need to do this before EACH SONG will play. [Edited to add: "Verifing your license" means another window pops up that asks for your buymusic login and password… you enter it… it thinks awhile… it thinks some more… Then it comes back and says click "play" to actually play the song…]

Ok. Getting a little annoyed here, but still willing to suck it up and deal.

Now that I've heard the music, I want to burn a CD (like they say you can do) so I can listen to it in my car.

Third and VERY big problem.
Since I'm using Windows200, they force you to use a windows media plugin made by Roxio. Roxio doesn't even really mention this plugin on their site except for a one year old press release. (I went there hoping they'd have an update). This plugin CRASHES consistently EVERY time I try to burn a CD. It is simply impossible to create a cd from my machine using that plugin. (Trying to use another plugin like Nero doesn't work. The license for the songs only works with that Roxio plugin).

So I figure, ok, I'm allowed a few more downloads of these songs. I'll download it to my husband's machine. He's running WindowsXP, I'm guessing since it's a new OS, the plugin is also probably newer, and maybe it will work better.

And here comes problem number four.
The "Main" license is the one I downloaded the first time to *my* machine (the windows 2000 box with the defective Roxio plugin). Subsequent downloads are "secondary licenses" from which you are not allowed to transfer to a mobile device, burn a cd, or do ANYTHING with except listen to them on that one machine.

Ok. This is bad. We're at a standstill with what is essentially a defective product. I wanted this music eventually for a CD I could listen to in a car – and I'm not getting what I paid for. Certainly there is something that can be worked out here. I'm not asking to get something for nothing. I just want what I gave them my money for. I want my music on a CD. I'll send an email to their customer service.

In walks problem number five.
Here's their oh-so helpful (probably computer generated) form letter to me (Makes me wonder if they have any physical human beings working for them):

Hello Jennifer,

Thank you for writing to us.

We are responding regarding your order #16557551.

We apologize if you have experienced trouble downloading your music to a digital media player or copying your music to a CD. Unfortunately, We are unable to provide technical assistance after you have downloaded the music from BuyMusic.com to your primary computer. In addition, we are unable to credit you back for failed or damaged copies once you have successfully downloaded the music to your primary computer.

For assistance with downloading your BuyMusic.com selections to your digital media player or copying to a CD, we suggest that you contact the Technical Support Department of the manufacturer of your digital player or CD-R(W) drive.

We apologize that we are unable to assist further with this issue. Thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have any additional questions, please contact us at support@customerservice.buymusic.com.

We appreciate your business.

Sincerely,
BuyMusic.com
www.BuyMusic.com

Wasn't there a song called "Money For Nothing" – I think I'll buy it from iTunes once it's released for the PC…

Update: This is in the trackback but important enough to be brought into this post. Privacy policies are something I don't usually pay attention to but really should, but what buymusic.com has in theirs is just wrong. Jenett linked to Stereoboy's post where he pointed out this little tidbit from their policy: "we may disclose, sell, trade, or rent your Personally Identifiable Information to others without your consent". Not cool.

Update 2:: The plot thickens. In my last email I told them I'd be contacting my credit card company. I also included a link to this review :) and offered them the opportunity to turn things around. Here's the latest email from them:

You previously sent BuyMusic.com an email. Due to the nature of your request, we have escalated your email to an expert queue, where it will be answered as soon as possible by a specialist in the subject you asked about.

We are committed to respond to your email as soon as possible.

We appreciate your business.

Sincerely,
BuyMusic.com — "Get Loaded!"

We'll see where that gets me. It got me nowhere. Their so-called "expert" simply said I needed to use Windows Media Player, not Roxio, to burn the CD.

Nevermind the fact that I said I WAS trying to use Windows Media Player. or the fact that I said it was a Roxio windows media PLUGIN that was crashing. OR (my favorite) the fact that ON THEIR SITE it says I have to USE that plugin in order to burn the CD.

Typical bad-customer-service type response. Doesn't read. Sends out form response. This, from their "expert".

Update 3: My latest email was "escalated" again. This time they simply issued me a full(see update 4) credit for the music. So, at least they've saved me a call to the credit card company – but based on the experience, I still won't buy from them again. (There's no guarantee that it will ever work. The software simply wasn't stable, and I can't count on them giving me a credit if I were to try again.)

Off I'll go to Amazon.com to buy them from there… (Or maybe I'll get my butt in gear and dust off my G4 and see if Apple/iTunes has the ones want). 😉

Update 4: I have another email in to them asking them why they're not giving me a full credit back. The amount was CLOSE but not exact, which is why I didn't notice the difference right away.

Update 5: Finally getting FULL refund back (however, I'll still believe it when I actually see it on my credit card statement!). The money they almost didn't give back to me turned out to be tax… they've graciously refunded that now too. </sarcasm> For anyone that actually tries this service out – IF you get a refund when things don't work, make sure you carefully check the amount of the refund. Just because they say they're refunding all your money, doesn't neccessarily mean they looked at the right total. :)

Update 6 (7/30/03): Because this keeps getting asked in the comments – here's the deal with the Roxio Plugin:
This page on buymusic's help site, is where they say you have to use it (I tried using other things, or no plugins – but it won't work). On buymusic's site – that part about it verifying your license before it burns the CD – that's what the Roxio plugin does. That's precisely where it crashes. I don't own Roxio software, nor did I install anything specifically from Roxio. That plugin came with the windows media player download.

(Side note: before the Roxio plugin crashes – there's a big ad about how I should buy the full version of Roxio for "more features" – maybe that's the catch?)

180 Responses to "Buymusic.com – BUYER BEWARE!!!"

1 | Manda Mia

July 26th, 2003 at 9:46 am

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Beware BuyMusic.com
Last week Buy.com launched BuyMusic.com, the supposed Windows answer to iTunes. [Never mind the fact that BuyMusic.com was originally 'launched'…

2 | malbela

July 26th, 2003 at 3:11 pm

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BuyMusic.com makes the Baby Jesus cry.
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3 | padawan.info

July 26th, 2003 at 7:28 pm

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dontbuymusic.com
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4 | Breaking Windows

July 27th, 2003 at 3:23 am

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BuyMusic.com Music Service
UPDATE Jennfier over at Scriptygoddess had a "great" experience with BuyMusic.com that you should read. A small tidbit of info:…

5 | IokanaaN - Blog

July 27th, 2003 at 8:27 pm

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6 | Jon's Thoughts On Everything

July 28th, 2003 at 1:52 am

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Good BuyMusic.Com
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8 | chachacha linklog

July 28th, 2003 at 8:34 am

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Buymusic.com is rubbish
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9 | -=-Nurse Ratched's Notebook-=-

July 28th, 2003 at 11:38 am

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I've been reading John's posts about his online music-buying experiences. John and Scriptygoddess have both had unsatisfactory experiences with BuyMusic.com, which sells a proprietary version of Windows Media format music, meaning that you have to play…

10 | PoliBrain Blog: Politics, Arts, Literature, Ideas

July 28th, 2003 at 12:54 pm

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Buymusic And Suffer
It seems that what can go wrong will go wrong with online music with the exception of Apples iMusic which works as promised. Scriptygoddess apparently had a miserable time with buymusic, which will not sell music to or allow access…

11 | PoliBrain Blog: Politics, Arts, Literature, Ideas

July 28th, 2003 at 12:56 pm

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Buymusic And Suffer
It seems that what can go wrong will go wrong with online music with the exception of Apples iMusic which works as promised. Scriptygoddess apparently had a miserable time with buymusic, which will not sell music to or allow access…

12 | Light From An Empty Fridge

July 28th, 2003 at 1:25 pm

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Legitimate online music is a bastard
I'm getting tired of writing about how the latest online music system sucks, and why. But I just can't help myself. Someone stop me!

13 | dasme.org

July 28th, 2003 at 2:14 pm

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Buymusic.com Oh gawd no, really… no.
Well I finally visited Buymusic.com for the first time since it was announced. What the hell are they thinking? I…

14 | Gen Kanai weblog

July 28th, 2003 at 9:49 pm

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BuyMusic doesn't work
Jennifer of scriptygoddess reviews the new buymusic.com website. She has problem after problem after problem. This is a very technically…

15 | pauljackson.net

July 29th, 2003 at 12:15 pm

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muddying the waters.
Seeing a commercial of Tommy Lee wearing a tee-shirt that says "Get Loaded." on it made me decide to look into BuyMusic.com the other day. And I don't even like Tommy Lee all that much. Initially, I thought I was seeing what was essentially a…

16 | david's internet world wide web page

July 30th, 2003 at 2:04 am

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More music services
So it seems more services are popping up on the internet world wide web. Good, right? Hey competition is a good thing. However, check this Washington Post review out. Also, http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/004057.php">this user had a HORRIBLE exp…

17 | Internotes

July 30th, 2003 at 3:32 am

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http://www.almaren.ch/internotes/archives/week_2003_07_27.html#001816
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18 | Hot Frozen Soup

July 30th, 2003 at 7:34 am

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Bashin' BuyMusic.com
As you all probably know, BuyMusic.com went live fairly recently. They are in competition with Apple's iTunes Music Store. However, in all seriousness, I am yet to hear a positive remark about them. This article talks about a first-hand experience with…

19 | Isn't the light OK?

July 30th, 2003 at 11:14 am

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Buy Music…or maybe not.
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20 | x.blog

July 30th, 2003 at 11:39 am

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buymusic.com
It's worse than anything you could possibly imagine.

21 | larryhalff.com

July 30th, 2003 at 3:22 pm

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No Publicity is Good Publicity
Darren mentions that the Showtime web site is not available outside the US, even though Showtime plays in Canada. What marketing executive made the decision that quelling demand for their content was the way to make money? Coincidentally, the BuyMusic…

22 | Mayhem & Chaos Blog

July 30th, 2003 at 4:24 pm

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BuyMusic.com has issues
It seems that the DRM laden windows only music offered by BuyMusic is completely inconvenient and it doesn't really work. Scriptygoddess offers her account of buying two albums and having nothing but problems. She had to download each track seperately …

23 | Ensight

July 30th, 2003 at 5:24 pm

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BuyMusic.com
http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/004057.php it actually seems like they did it wrong in every single way….

24 | www.gadgetguy.de

July 31st, 2003 at 3:57 am

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Money for nothing, and no tracks for free
Scriptygoddess writes about her experience with buymusic.com I can't really say I'm surprised. The DRM mechanism mandates a lot of Windows software of different vendors to go together, and even if it works, it's almost sure to be not very user friendly…

25 | Mobücoté

July 31st, 2003 at 1:46 pm

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Others Having Problems With BuyMusic.com
I am not alone with my BuyMusic.com problems. According to USA Today BuyMusic.com customers are having problems with the service. Here is another story about BuyMusic's problems. Slashdot also has an entry about it….

26 | BLADAM: Musings on life, love, liberty, and stuff

August 5th, 2003 at 4:20 am

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test123
BuyMusic.com sounds promising, but actually delivers nothing but headaches and horrible customer service.

27 | i feel happy

August 10th, 2003 at 1:35 pm

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Buy per track… buymusic.com
If you're considering using buymusic.com, then I suggest you read this first. It just goes to show you that the current "ideals" of selling music on the web are a travesty and a total joke. No real customer support. (No,…

28 | Big Pink Cookie

August 30th, 2003 at 8:03 pm

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Should I Listen?
I went to Best Buy earlier to pick up a new headset for my cell phone and a new copy…

29 | Blogcritics

January 19th, 2004 at 6:23 pm

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BuyMusic.com: Buyer Beware
A nice idea, and wide selection of music – but strict licensing, and poor customer service make this service a doomed failure.

30 | The Goddess Speaks

July 24th, 2003 at 11:37 pm

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Buyer Beware
Jennifer over at Scriptygoddess has a warning about buymusic.com. She's not a very satisfied customer.

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