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24 Jul, 2003

Buymusic.com – BUYER BEWARE!!!

Posted by: Jennifer In: product review

Issue has been (somewhat) resolved (but I still don't plan on buying from them again) (See bottom of post for resolution)

Breaking the format here a bit, because I wanted to give a quick little review of my experiences with buymusic.com.

I've seen an article on Wired.com about this (thanks ste) and it seems already people aren't thrilled with the licensing format that is in place on these music files. I can almost accept the fact that you'll have to jump through hoops if you want to be able to download your music. Look, the music industry is whining that they're losing money thanks to mp3s – the public wants to be able to get their music their way (which right now is digitally) – I can agree to compromise.

What I can't agree to is bad customer service. If they're going to have these tight restrictions about the files – they're also going to have to be flexible when things don't go perfectly – as we all know can happen when you're working with computers.

Here's my personal experience with them…

On Wednesday night, I purchased two albums from them. (Not just individual songs, I figured I'd go the full 9-yards and buy the whole album)

First problem. After you buy an album, you need to download it. Sure, I knew that. What I didn't know is that you have to download EACH SONG INDIVIDUALLY. One click per song. With two large sized albums with many songs on it – it can be just a LITTLE annoying.

Ok. We're compromising, right? I'll suck it up and deal.

After all the songs downloaded, I tried to play them. Second problem. Before each song plays – it has to download and verify your license. You can't mulitple select a bunch and do this. You need to do this before EACH SONG will play. [Edited to add: "Verifing your license" means another window pops up that asks for your buymusic login and password... you enter it... it thinks awhile... it thinks some more... Then it comes back and says click "play" to actually play the song...]

Ok. Getting a little annoyed here, but still willing to suck it up and deal.

Now that I've heard the music, I want to burn a CD (like they say you can do) so I can listen to it in my car.

Third and VERY big problem.
Since I'm using Windows200, they force you to use a windows media plugin made by Roxio. Roxio doesn't even really mention this plugin on their site except for a one year old press release. (I went there hoping they'd have an update). This plugin CRASHES consistently EVERY time I try to burn a CD. It is simply impossible to create a cd from my machine using that plugin. (Trying to use another plugin like Nero doesn't work. The license for the songs only works with that Roxio plugin).

So I figure, ok, I'm allowed a few more downloads of these songs. I'll download it to my husband's machine. He's running WindowsXP, I'm guessing since it's a new OS, the plugin is also probably newer, and maybe it will work better.

And here comes problem number four.
The "Main" license is the one I downloaded the first time to *my* machine (the windows 2000 box with the defective Roxio plugin). Subsequent downloads are "secondary licenses" from which you are not allowed to transfer to a mobile device, burn a cd, or do ANYTHING with except listen to them on that one machine.

Ok. This is bad. We're at a standstill with what is essentially a defective product. I wanted this music eventually for a CD I could listen to in a car – and I'm not getting what I paid for. Certainly there is something that can be worked out here. I'm not asking to get something for nothing. I just want what I gave them my money for. I want my music on a CD. I'll send an email to their customer service.

In walks problem number five.
Here's their oh-so helpful (probably computer generated) form letter to me (Makes me wonder if they have any physical human beings working for them):

Hello Jennifer,

Thank you for writing to us.

We are responding regarding your order #16557551.

We apologize if you have experienced trouble downloading your music to a digital media player or copying your music to a CD. Unfortunately, We are unable to provide technical assistance after you have downloaded the music from BuyMusic.com to your primary computer. In addition, we are unable to credit you back for failed or damaged copies once you have successfully downloaded the music to your primary computer.

For assistance with downloading your BuyMusic.com selections to your digital media player or copying to a CD, we suggest that you contact the Technical Support Department of the manufacturer of your digital player or CD-R(W) drive.

We apologize that we are unable to assist further with this issue. Thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have any additional questions, please contact us at support@customerservice.buymusic.com.

We appreciate your business.

Sincerely,
BuyMusic.com
www.BuyMusic.com

Wasn't there a song called "Money For Nothing" – I think I'll buy it from iTunes once it's released for the PC…

Update: This is in the trackback but important enough to be brought into this post. Privacy policies are something I don't usually pay attention to but really should, but what buymusic.com has in theirs is just wrong. Jenett linked to Stereoboy's post where he pointed out this little tidbit from their policy: "we may disclose, sell, trade, or rent your Personally Identifiable Information to others without your consent". Not cool.

Update 2:: The plot thickens. In my last email I told them I'd be contacting my credit card company. I also included a link to this review :) and offered them the opportunity to turn things around. Here's the latest email from them:

You previously sent BuyMusic.com an email. Due to the nature of your request, we have escalated your email to an expert queue, where it will be answered as soon as possible by a specialist in the subject you asked about.

We are committed to respond to your email as soon as possible.

We appreciate your business.

Sincerely,
BuyMusic.com — "Get Loaded!"

We'll see where that gets me. It got me nowhere. Their so-called "expert" simply said I needed to use Windows Media Player, not Roxio, to burn the CD.

Nevermind the fact that I said I WAS trying to use Windows Media Player. or the fact that I said it was a Roxio windows media PLUGIN that was crashing. OR (my favorite) the fact that ON THEIR SITE it says I have to USE that plugin in order to burn the CD.

Typical bad-customer-service type response. Doesn't read. Sends out form response. This, from their "expert".

Update 3: My latest email was "escalated" again. This time they simply issued me a full(see update 4) credit for the music. So, at least they've saved me a call to the credit card company – but based on the experience, I still won't buy from them again. (There's no guarantee that it will ever work. The software simply wasn't stable, and I can't count on them giving me a credit if I were to try again.)

Off I'll go to Amazon.com to buy them from there… (Or maybe I'll get my butt in gear and dust off my G4 and see if Apple/iTunes has the ones want). ;-)

Update 4: I have another email in to them asking them why they're not giving me a full credit back. The amount was CLOSE but not exact, which is why I didn't notice the difference right away.

Update 5: Finally getting FULL refund back (however, I'll still believe it when I actually see it on my credit card statement!). The money they almost didn't give back to me turned out to be tax… they've graciously refunded that now too. </sarcasm> For anyone that actually tries this service out – IF you get a refund when things don't work, make sure you carefully check the amount of the refund. Just because they say they're refunding all your money, doesn't neccessarily mean they looked at the right total. :)

Update 6 (7/30/03): Because this keeps getting asked in the comments – here's the deal with the Roxio Plugin:
This page on buymusic's help site, is where they say you have to use it (I tried using other things, or no plugins – but it won't work). On buymusic's site – that part about it verifying your license before it burns the CD – that's what the Roxio plugin does. That's precisely where it crashes. I don't own Roxio software, nor did I install anything specifically from Roxio. That plugin came with the windows media player download.

(Side note: before the Roxio plugin crashes – there's a big ad about how I should buy the full version of Roxio for "more features" – maybe that's the catch?)

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180 Responses to "Buymusic.com – BUYER BEWARE!!!"

1 | Blogcritics

January 19th, 2004 at 6:23 pm

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BuyMusic.com: Buyer Beware
A nice idea, and wide selection of music – but strict licensing, and poor customer service make this service a doomed failure.

2 | Big Pink Cookie

August 30th, 2003 at 8:03 pm

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Should I Listen?
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August 10th, 2003 at 1:35 pm

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Buy per track… buymusic.com
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4 | BLADAM: Musings on life, love, liberty, and stuff

August 5th, 2003 at 4:20 am

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test123
BuyMusic.com sounds promising, but actually delivers nothing but headaches and horrible customer service.

5 | Mobücoté

July 31st, 2003 at 1:46 pm

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Others Having Problems With BuyMusic.com
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6 | www.gadgetguy.de

July 31st, 2003 at 3:57 am

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Money for nothing, and no tracks for free
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7 | Ensight

July 30th, 2003 at 5:24 pm

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BuyMusic.com
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8 | Mayhem & Chaos Blog

July 30th, 2003 at 4:24 pm

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BuyMusic.com has issues
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9 | x.blog

July 30th, 2003 at 11:39 am

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buymusic.com
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July 30th, 2003 at 3:22 pm

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July 30th, 2003 at 7:34 am

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July 30th, 2003 at 11:14 am

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13 | Internotes

July 30th, 2003 at 3:32 am

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14 | pauljackson.net

July 29th, 2003 at 12:15 pm

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muddying the waters.
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July 30th, 2003 at 2:04 am

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July 28th, 2003 at 9:49 pm

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July 28th, 2003 at 12:56 pm

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18 | Light From An Empty Fridge

July 28th, 2003 at 1:25 pm

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Legitimate online music is a bastard
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19 | dasme.org

July 28th, 2003 at 2:14 pm

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July 28th, 2003 at 12:54 pm

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July 28th, 2003 at 8:34 am

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July 28th, 2003 at 1:52 am

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July 27th, 2003 at 8:27 pm

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July 27th, 2003 at 3:23 am

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27 | malbela

July 26th, 2003 at 3:11 pm

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BuyMusic.com makes the Baby Jesus cry.
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July 26th, 2003 at 7:28 pm

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July 26th, 2003 at 9:46 am

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July 25th, 2003 at 8:30 pm

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31 | daveXtreme

July 25th, 2003 at 10:24 pm

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Don't buy it
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32 | Big Pink Cookie

July 26th, 2003 at 2:07 am

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33 | Inspirational Technology

July 25th, 2003 at 8:18 pm

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More BuyMusic.com Rumblings
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July 25th, 2003 at 6:00 pm

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July 25th, 2003 at 7:36 pm

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July 25th, 2003 at 2:21 pm

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37 | TECHLIZARD

July 25th, 2003 at 5:43 pm

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38 | BLADAM: Musings on life, love, liberty, and stuff

July 25th, 2003 at 1:07 pm

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39 | Dave's Chalkboard

July 25th, 2003 at 10:27 am

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Beware of Buymusic.com…
scriptygoddess product review: Buymusic.com – BUYER BEWARE!!!…

40 | Axiomatic Breakfast

July 25th, 2003 at 9:36 am

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July 25th, 2003 at 9:44 am

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July 25th, 2003 at 9:20 am

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July 25th, 2003 at 3:55 am

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July 25th, 2003 at 4:27 am

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Flogging a dead horse
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45 | My Random Ramblings

July 25th, 2003 at 9:12 am

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46 | :: sledgeblog :: where the showgirls are fantastic!

July 25th, 2003 at 2:50 am

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so.
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47 | Absoblogginlutely

July 25th, 2003 at 3:14 am

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Beware of BuyMusic.com
I've never actually heard of BuyMusic.com but from what I've seen at scriptygoddess I'd be very reluctant to do so. They've had a problem burning music they've downloaded onto cd and the site has basically said its not their problem…

48 | J.A.S.O.N.

July 24th, 2003 at 11:17 pm

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Buy Music? Not From BuyMusic.com…
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49 | jenett.radio

July 24th, 2003 at 6:22 pm

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Bad BuyMusic.com
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50 | . cynics' - /mak'in-trash`/ .

July 24th, 2003 at 5:20 pm

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BuyMusic.com 0 – iTMS 1
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51 | Caffeinated Chronicles

July 24th, 2003 at 4:25 pm

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I'm not going to buy it, you buy it…
CF points out the great purchasing experience scriptygoddess had at buymusic.com. "Buyer beware" is an apt title, indeed.

52 | The Realm of Chadness

July 24th, 2003 at 4:23 pm

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Link Fest .02
I figured I'd do this "link fest" thing about once a week. That'll give me time to find new links

53 | Craig

April 15th, 2004 at 9:06 pm

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As a followup to my above posting, I have finally received information from Walmart.com who uses the same DRM encryption system for their music tracks. They have confirmed by suspicions – the DRM encryption system uses your processor's (CPU's) unique ID number to track what system it's on. SOOOOO…if you upgrade your CPU or migrate to a new system, your licensing will take a hit by one "system" (i.e., tracks that can only be on one computer will "lock out" and others allowed on multiple systems will believe they're on a "new" or "second" system! They don't tell you this anywhere on their sites! If you have large music collections from these types of sites (DRM-wrapped .wma files), you will run into licensing problems if you upgrade or change CPUs, or move to a new system! BE CAREFUL!

54 | Max

April 3rd, 2004 at 9:40 pm

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Many MAC users here are missing the point. I have used a windows system to download mp3's for years – high quality music that I can burn to cd. The issue with buymusic.com has absolutely nothing to do with differences between pc's and mac's. iTunes is a professionally run music site, and this is why it works, not because it services apple customers as opposed to windows customers. The lesson here is don't buy music from crappy sites like buymusic.com that only care about taking your money and think they are not obligate to make sure you get what you paid for.

55 | Craig

April 11th, 2004 at 1:01 pm

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Regarding BuyMusic.com – which is now currently merging with Buy.com… I know I'm a little late in this game, having been using BuyMusic.com for about 8 months now, but ran into this issue just today and have basically been told by BuyMusic.com/Buy.com "nothing we can do".
While they mention that they are not responsible should your system be lost or damaged, they don't mention UPGRADING your system. I just upgraded my "primary" music system (CPU, RAM and video card), and suddenly, none of my downloaded music would play! Each time I tried, it attempted to login and "reaquire" my license. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. After some research, I determined that tracks that were allowed to be on more than one system were "relicensing" while tracks permitted on only ONE system would throw an error. BuyMusic's system was seeing this, my primary computer, as a new/second/secondary computer! I can't relicense many tracks, and the ones that WERE successful are acting like they're on a secondary system – aside from listening to them, I can't burn or do anything else with them! BEWARE WHEN UPGRADING YOUR SYSTEM – YOU MAY LOSE YOUR MUSIC'S LICENSES! So far, after having my e-mail complaints escalated to the "expert queue", I've been pretty much left with "nothing we can do". Am looking to shoot e-mails to the BBB and Consumer Reports… This is pathetic!

56 | Crowland

February 5th, 2004 at 1:46 pm

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It's not just Buymusic.com, it's buyanything.com. They are all part of the same company. A really bad one.

I just bought the first loard of the rings extended version on dvd two months ago and I have still not received the product as of yet. When I purchased the item online I selected ups ground. The set was back ordered for less than a week. I was ok with that. When they got it, they shipped it us media mail; This is the slowest form of transportation on earth. It's like 15th class mail.

I put in a claim and they denied it. The worst part of it all is that there is no customer service. You can never talk to anybody. You just get a poor response that does not even fully address your problem. It's like they can't even come up with a good form letter.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

57 | Jordan

December 24th, 2003 at 6:14 am

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This is all bullshit and thank the fucking maker that there's an appellate court judge with the balls to take the RIAA on (re: recent ruling that requires RIAA to sue to obtain names from an ISP instead of ISP being forced to just handing them over).

Whether the RIAA likes it or not we DO have the right to do with the music as we please so long as it's for personal use. With DRM and Microsoft and other companies in bed with the RIAA, they are denying us of that right to burn our own compilation CD to listen to our music the way we choose. Apparently it's not enough that the RIAA gets money from every blank CD sold as "compensation" for their "losses."

I will never buy a CD for myself again (it's been five years since I've done so). If I ever do, it sure as hell won't be from an RIAA label.

58 | Jonathan Snyder

October 14th, 2003 at 12:17 am

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I've had the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS with buymusic.com

Spent about $150 on music when I decided I wanted to burn them to CD.

59 | tim

November 16th, 2003 at 12:03 am

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I dont know what you are all complaining about. I have spent about $250 on music from BuyMusic.com and had only one problem which was taken care of right away with absolutely no problems and got a full refund for 99 cents. I will continue to use BuyMusic.com and suggest it to all my friends and anybody whos interested. As for Rhapsody and PressPlay I dont remember which one it was but I had to pay a $9.95 monthly fee and then pay another 99 cents per song. Talk about a RIP. And another servive I was subscribed to you had to buy credits to buy songs different songs used different amounts of credit and some of the songs after using the credits you still had to pay between 99 Cents to two dollars for the song, and sometimes one song would cost five credits (which cost $5.95) and then an additional 99 cents. Talk about total rip, I could of just about bought a whole CD for the price I paid for one song. I have not paid any membership fees or anything like that with BuyMusic.com. Just thought you might like to know.

60 | Adam Lasnik

October 9th, 2003 at 6:46 pm

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For those still wanting to legally download tracks, I highly recommend that you check out the news Musicmatch or Napster services.

I've written about both of them in my blog:

Musicmatch – http://www.bladam.com/archives/0309292010.htm
Napster – http://www.bladam.com/archives/0310090258.htm

Enjoy!

61 | Pam

October 9th, 2003 at 6:37 pm

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To mindstorms remark about buy.com and buymusic.com "only having the same CEO". That CEO is Scott Blum and if you know anything about him you will know that any company he is involved in is completely run by him and his whims. So buymusic and buy.com are heavily related.

62 | Adam Lasnik

September 30th, 2003 at 1:04 am

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Just wanted to note that I just posted a lengthy (mixed) review of the new Musicmatch Download Service, which I think may be of interest to many here.

In a nutshell: it's leaps and bounds better than buymusic, but still has a ways to go.

http://bladam.com/archives/0309292010.htm

63 | bp

September 23rd, 2003 at 6:41 pm

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I tried BM and had a similar experience, but I didn't even get to download the stuff. However after a couple tries with support (you're right about template responses) they refunded my money without asking (guess it was costing too much). They also deleted my account when asked.

A co-worker had tried it and didn't understand the primary computer stuff so she had the downloads on a machine without a burner. I brought my burner from home in and had the same experience. The roxio plug-in would blow while verifying the rights.

As for roxio, I have used EasyCD since 3.x. I had 4.x on win2000 until I rebuilt my machine a few weeks back. I bought the new version 6. Haven't had a problem with that.

64 | Bo

September 18th, 2003 at 7:45 pm

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I have snooped around buymusic.com site for a bit, but I did not buy anything nor have I signed up for an account. Therefore, I cannot comment on its general policies or DRM terms.
However, I did read a few horror stories about their service (unreliable downloads, malfunctioning site functions, etc.). I have an explanation on why their site works so poorly: it is because the site is run on the Microsoft NT/Frontpage platform.
You see, I work for a local Internet Service Provider, and we also provide website hosting on Microsoft NT/2000/2003/Frontpage platform along with .Net support. All I can say is that the platform is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen. We have at least 5 or 6 daily problems with various sites. Asp (active server pages) would stop working out of the blue (buymusic.com uses asp extensively). The server has crashed more than 4 times in the past year and a half alone; not to mention the daily reboot. Whereas our unix/linux server boxes have been continuous running, incidence free, for at least, by my last count 224 days. In fact, the last time they went down, it was due to hardware failures.
Personally, I would not give out my credit card information or download anything from a service that runs on NT platform. The whole thing is a huge a$$ security risk. Don't be surprised that it gets hacked into and privacy information compromised. Don't be surprised if parts of the site become slow or non-responsive alltogether because this is all in a day's work if you are running Microsuck NT platform.
My advice is that, based on buymusic.com's hosting platform, do NOT buy anything from it because you might just get your credit card number stolen, and you will never get reliable performance out of the website.

65 | Awesome80s

September 15th, 2003 at 5:04 pm

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So I decided to go ahead and try BuyMusic.com despite the warning of Scriptygoddess. Unfortunately I am experiencing problems as I type. I purchased several songs on 9/13 and still haven't gotten them all to work yet. Some of them work – but only half. I am having an issue with getting the licenses. I downloaded the songs but only a few went out and got the licenses, the rest say there are no more licenses for the songs. Well of course I paid for all of the songs but can only listen to the ones with licenses. So far I've gotten two canned emails – one saying they got my problem and the next saying it was being escalated. Yea right – I haven't heard anything since and it's still not working. I don't think I will be using this service again. Now I have to go call my credit card company to dispute the charges so I can get my money back on the songs that aren't working. What a pain – listen to scriptygodess and STAY AWAY FROM BUYMUSIC.COM.

66 | Richard

August 24th, 2003 at 12:05 am

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buymusic.con would be a better description. Fortunately I've only lost two dollars – thought I'd test it out first with two cheap songs before committing to albums and immediately ran into the licensing stonewall. Am awaiting the "sorry, nothing we can do once downloaded" reply any day now.
Should have read these posts first of course, but sounds like I've gotten off lightly.

67 | Jonathan

August 25th, 2003 at 5:45 am

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I've never actually downloaded or used music with drm before, but maybe you'd be able to record it with something like Total Recorder. Since it's software based, not sound card based it seems to produce good sound. Then, in theory, you could save it in any format you wanted and burn it as much as you wanted…

Still a bit of a hassle when I could just download from Shareaza / Kazaa. I can't use BuyMusic.com anyway because I live in New Zealand.

68 | Anonymous

August 23rd, 2003 at 6:44 pm

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Thanks for the posting. I am absolutely amazed that the "Windows" world is this far behind Apple. I haven't used Apple since elementary school back in the early to mid 80's, but I have to tell you, they seem to be many steps ahead of the PC world in regards to quality and innovation. Maybe I do need to switch!!

Bill Gates and the rest of the PC community, get your butts in gear!!

69 | Steve

August 22nd, 2003 at 11:58 am

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Yup, I tried buymusic.com, lost $10, cannot get licenses for music I downloaded and paid for. Of course no phone number to call, sent e-mails, no reply. How about this one BETTEROFFBUYINGTHECD.com

70 | thespace

August 20th, 2003 at 7:51 am

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BUYMUSIC.COM sucks and so does any form of DRM technology. What a freaking disaster, I feel totally ripped off. They should be named IFYOUFEELLIKEJUMPINGTHROUGHHOOPSTODOANYTHINGWITHTHEMUSICYOUPURCHASEFROMUSTHENBUYOURMUSIC.COM

What a joke, I think I'll stick with itunes.

71 | Ryan

August 19th, 2003 at 5:33 am

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Thank you Jennifer.
I'm glad I came across this. I will refrain from commenting on the Mac vs. PC thing. I'm a mac addict, but I've been working in a pc world, and circumstances being what they are, I write to you from a pc.

I just wanted to make one comment.

Twice now I've read comments about "hackers" or "hacking". To the person who asked for "…all you hackers out there to grow up…" please know that it isn't hackers that are out there being stupid. MOST of the time it is either crackers or script kiddies. Please learn more about a subject before running off at the mouth like that, or otherwise you will end up brainwashed by the media and the government. Not all hackers are good, but by the same token not all are bad either. Read about what's going on over at http://www.2600.com and see the fight they are fighting, or better yet pick up one of thier quarterly publications found at most book stores. Every sysadmin or network technition should have a subscription.

I will get off my soap box now.

72 | Al Costa

August 8th, 2003 at 1:02 pm

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Very interesting experience.

It'll be published at kviar.com. Unfortunately, since it's a brazilian music portal, it'll be written in portuguese (no, not spanish…).

73 | Chris

August 9th, 2003 at 2:28 pm

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Well, I got suckered. I didn't read any of this first and tried buymusic.com. Lucky me I only spent 10 bucks. I have the same exact story about the tech support that sucks and the problems with trying to burn anything because of licensing. I guess I have to go back to Kazaa (so much for being legal). In the mean time I'll have to see if anyone can 'hack' and take the service down to prove a point.

74 | mindstorms

August 7th, 2003 at 3:15 am

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dont know if somoene replied already about whoever said theyd stop using buy.com because of buymusic.com, but there should be some clarification. buy.com does not own or run buymusic.com. the only connection is that they both have the same ceo. otherwise, you should not connect your experience with one to the other.

75 | Hans

August 1st, 2003 at 9:01 am

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Jennifer,

Thanks for this review.

They should work on legal services that pamper their clients with, low pricing, high quality audio, high download speeds and extras like artists info, covers etc. Don’t scare of clients with all kinds of limitations on copying etc. If you pay for something you should not be treated as a possible felon.

Just look at what European services like Weblisten and Allofmp3 do. High quality audio, low prices, fast downloads. Allofmp3 even offers all albums in mp3, ogg, wma , mp4, aac and mpc . You cannot only choose the format you can also choose your desired bit rate,

That’s the way to go.

At http://www.museekster.com you can find a comparison of all the things these services have to offer.

76 | Jesse Perry

July 31st, 2003 at 9:30 pm

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Hey, nice story. I help out with a new site http://www.boycottbuymusic.com and we have a section for stories. I was wondering if I could use your description of BuyMusic's service on our site. Please email me back on what you think. Thanks.

77 | I.P.Freely

August 1st, 2003 at 2:47 am

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Jennifer,

I have a proposition for you, I'll take that G4 off your hand. Tell me what you need, within reason, of course.

78 | rueyeet

July 31st, 2003 at 3:13 pm

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In line with the discussion of alternatives for legal music downloads, someone mentioned Rhapsody; the problem with the subscription services is that if you ever drop your subscription, you give up any rights to the music you've paid for unless you've burned it to an audio CD. Yes, that's only 79 cents a song, but that's over and above the subscription cost.

While I'm a happy Mac-head spending entirely too much money discovering new stuff at the easy and convenient iTMS, the end-user agreement there doesn't guarantee you continued authorization for your purchases either…kind of alarming in light of the fact that the deals Jobs wrangled from the recording fat-cats is only for a year. So that too leaves you backing up to audio CDs.

But it looks like BuyMusic.com is the worst of all. Download once, and you're on your own, while they sell your information to all comers. And I bet they have that little disclaimer about being able to revoke your licenses to the songs at any time too. Add a crappy user experience and rotten customer service and one hopes they won't last too long.

On the other hand, I'm glad to hear that EMusic now has 196k MP3's! Since they can't revoke your music, and I'm looking for some decidedly non-mainstream stuff right now, that looks like a good option…maybe I'll sign up for the shortest term I can and go hog wild there awhile.

In any case, thanks for the thorough review, and here's hoping that someone–whether Apple or not–brings a pay-by-download service that's as usable and fair as iTMS/Mac to your platform of choice, Jennifer. :)

79 | Don Allen

July 31st, 2003 at 2:59 pm

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What bothers me the most is that BuyMusic.com "claimed" to be like the iTunes Music Store – only better (because they had more music and cheaper prices). But in reality, it isn't anything like the iTune store (doesn't work, lousy licensing etc).

When/if the comparison continues, people might assume the iTunes store is "just as bad"…. it just isn't – and unless we make that clear, the story won't be told correctly.

80 | Poemtree

July 31st, 2003 at 12:10 pm

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You said, "dust off my G4…"

Question… If you have a G4 at your disposal what the heck were you doing at BuyMusic.com on Windows? Did you actually think that the BuyMusic experience on a Windows box was going to be anywhere near as good as iTunes Music Store on a Mac? Come to think of it, does anything work as well on a PC as a Mac? Oh well, live and learn.

Poemtree
104 songs purchased at ITMS and counting…

81 | Katherine

July 31st, 2003 at 12:41 pm

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Yet another vote for Emusic from me! Whether you're on Mac, Windows, or Linux, you can use it — and I've discovered some great stuff there. They do have new music too. I've found that between Emusic and iTunes, I have access to a great selection of albums.

About the Mac vs. PC thing… seems like a side issue to me in this case. Emusic came up with a cross-platform service that's fairly easy to use; I don't understand why BuyMusic couldn't. And bad customer service truly knows no bounds, platform-related or otherwise…

But I will say this: the nice thing about the Mac OSX is that it's great for web development, because it's got Apache, PHP, etc on it. If you're developing for Linux/Unix servers, that's a big plus. Also, a world of open-source software is now finally available to Mac users as it has been to Linux users for years.

So obviously, you should keep using what you prefer, but play around with OSX too — cross-platform experience never hurts, no?

82 | G. I.

July 31st, 2003 at 4:16 am

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I have to agree on emusic.com. No DRM, 196kbit mp3, download from anywhere in the world, even on Mac OS 9 or Linux. No mainstream crap, but more than 900 independent labels. $45 for 3 months unlimited download. emusic rules!

83 | mackeyser

July 31st, 2003 at 1:05 am

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Right now, it is a crappy music download service issue and potentially an OS issue with Windows DRM being very user unfriendly. However, it only takes a little foresight to see that the totallity of your computing experience will eventually be wrapped up in some form of a DRM document written by an acolyte of le Temple de Marquis de Sade. So, while the "whole Mac v. PC thing" may have been beaten to death, it will be reborn like a phoenix from the ashes once more and more companies start doing heinous things that perpetrate identity fraud (selling your PII WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT!?!) as well as once the ALL software companies start limiting their content to Palladium equipped computers. Don't have one? Can't "buy" (which will rapidly become a euphemism for limited term lease license) the newest version of our software which we can now shut off at OUR discretion. Don't have one? Forget any chance at next gen media whether it be downloadable movies, streamed media or whatever.

Bottom line is that the critical question regarding platform choice is rapidly going to migrate from clock cycles (and frankly, the slowest part of the computing experience is always gonna be the human) to which platform delivers what customers want in terms of privacy, security, customer digital rights availability (I call it Fair DRM), stability and usability. Right now, I think that lead belongs to the Mac (As a former Network Engineer, I have used many platforms). Looking ahead, say 3 years, forget the cost of the box, I just can't see why anyone would forgo their digital rights, willfully expose themselves to identity theft and buy into a .Net software model where you will no longer own your software, but rent it from a capricious industry that already has proven (on both Mac and Wintel Platforms), that given half a chance, they will give as little support as possible. Sounds like Trouble to me. And as I always say, "If you ask for Trouble, when you get it, it is always more than you asked for and often more than you can handle." Not my idea of a fun computing experience, but hey, I never liked having to hack the Registry to make some things work either…

84 | coupon kitty

July 30th, 2003 at 10:29 pm

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Thank You for saving me a lot of trouble. I'd been considering giving BM a shot. Between problems like this and the RIAA harassing innocent customers my interest in buying new music is next to nil.

85 | Pat

July 31st, 2003 at 12:25 am

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I'll spare you the Mac vs PC triteness. I'm a Mac user because I like it better, your milage may vary…

Instead, I would like to mention emusic.com. While the catalog is old, and limited somewhat, it is a flat, monthly fee with unlimited download, and DRM are unlimited as well (or were when I was a member). You may not find your new songs there, but I did get the almost complete Elvis Costello catalog, and much, much more – about 20 MP3 CD's. Well worth the money, at least for 3 months…

86 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 9:31 pm

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I love you mac-iphiles. Really I do. But, I'm not switching. Ok? Got it? Sheesh!

87 | marko

July 30th, 2003 at 9:35 pm

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The thing with the macs v. PCs in this music store jihad happened because jerks like Buy.com CEO Blum took a direct shot at Apple. His crass, overbloated, ego driven diatribe against iTMS and Apple in general was bad karma. Instead of nurturing and showing the positives of on-line music downloading service and touting the service to expand the current thinking of such services, he made it into some rock and roll freak show kick-off with trash talking and chest thumping. He must have forgotten to try the store before it's launch. Oh- Jennifer- think about getting the licenses for your PC software converted to Mac. Your cost would be the upgrade price for the mac equivalent (except for microsoft programs- wonder why? hmmm). I take it you use Macromedia and Adobe stuff. And if you like a hardcore text editor, try BBE Edit (sorry to pimp it, but it is that good)

88 | iJono

July 30th, 2003 at 8:59 pm

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My suggestion – GET A MACINTOSH!

It will solve most of your problems and the iTunes Music Store works like a DREAM.

90 | hadley stern

July 30th, 2003 at 9:23 pm

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There is a quick and easy solution. Use iTunes for the Mac. Of course buymusic sucks! There is only one company that can provide a coherant online music experience and that is Apple. With DRM, burning, mp3 players its a complicated mix and Apple proves that there is a benefit to having control over the software and hardware.

For now I would buy a mac, until Apple releases iTunes for windows there is no other choice.

91 | Lyle

July 30th, 2003 at 7:25 pm

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You have been mentioned and linked to from As the Apple Turns (http://www.appleturns.com/).

I'm glad they sent me here. Nice job!

92 | Kevin

July 30th, 2003 at 7:30 pm

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This looks like BadBuyMusic.com. Windows users should wait for iTunes for Windows. One of the hold-up could be the music industry. Apple is working hard to get the same Digital rights for Windows users that Mac users currently have. The Music industry is not making it easy ether. If we never see iTunes for Windows it will be for that reason.

The Music industry seems to be a little suspicious of Windows users. This probably has something to do with users who illegally hack programs. The fear may be having the music files DRM hacked as well.

You hackers out there please grow-up and make the world a better place for us honest folk.

On another note Microsoft may be sued for it's use of DRM currently used in Windows Media Player and in many of it's other products. It seems that the technology may have been stolen from another company.

93 | Jason Wiley

July 30th, 2003 at 7:12 pm

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Just to be clear on this, because I know how many frustrated PC users will be looking at this page – THIS is why we use Macs. I am not trying to flame or get on a high horse, but it's sometimes so hard for my to express my frustration with Windows to Win users because they just don't know any other way than the Windows way. Every facet of my computing experience between PC and Mac could be told in this form. Networking, file transfer, driver compatibility, hardware conflicts, lousy customer service… Of coursetrouble sometimes exists in the Mac world, but (aside from Quark) NEVER like this, and usually just the opposite. Please think of this when you wonder why people use Macs. Multiply this story by every app on your hard drive (aside from games, I'll give you that one) and you get the idea.
Great story!
jaz

94 | Rasmus

July 30th, 2003 at 4:24 pm

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Jen,

Sorry to hear about the hassle. I am sure we all have tried the many hours of customer "support" the digital age has brought with it. Whether it is from Internet Resellers, to phone companies, etc. It seems each year we spend more and more time, on hold, waiting for support or service.

Anyways, I am a Mac User, I am not going to prolythesize about the greatness of Mac, because that seems to divert the issue here.

Personally I would never by from buymusic.com, even if i could. The DRMs are horrible, their slogan is borderline pro-drugs (Tommy Lee doesn't help), and now that I know about the Privacy Policy i am absolutely terrfied and angered.
RIAA and similar companies are so afraid that we will mis-use are priviliges if we get mp3's.
Where are our lobbies/champions. Why isn't someone on TV screaming outrage, about BM's "right" to resell your information, just because you purchase from them.
Whats next, they will resell you credit card info on the black market.
Stay clear of that company. FAR FAR away.

BM.com:
Endorses Drugs
Endorses wife abuse
Endorses violation of private information

Sounds like the mob to me.

Rasmus

95 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 5:58 pm

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On the "customer support" issue – and the digital age…

I don't understand why so many online (and offline) retailers don't get this – customer service is CRITICAL to keeping customers. It's MORE than just having a product that works (would be nice!) but even in this situation, all the hassles and annoyances weren't what made me an anti-customer – it was their response. All they had to do was work with me – help me – try to get it to work (I would have even settled for them resetting the licenses and my needing to use my husband's machine from now on to buy music – although I don't think he would agree) ;-) but the clincher was their support (or rather, lack thereof). Even now – someone from buymusic – send me a sincere apology. Send me an email saying you want to make this work (rather than just a flat refund, which I'm glad I got) – but they lost a customer. Look at this post – they lost a lot of customers.

I work in a retail-ish industry, and when we lose customers, from what I've seen, more often than not, it's not because product breaks, or expectations weren't met, etc. etc. – the line that pushes angry customer to angry i'm-never-shopping-with-you-again non-customer is completely dependent on the human interaction they get. If someone said I'm sorry, let me do everything I can to help you – the story would be completely different.

You walk into a store – online or not – and they see money – they don't see humans. Money gets folded up and stuffed in your wallet. People need a lot better treatment. And if you think otherwise, then your wallet will be empty too.

96 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 11:44 am

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G4 is collecting dust because I have no software for it. (I've since dusted it off and will probably buy songs via iTunes on it until it's out for the PC) – but that, at the moment, is all I can do with it.

97 | jones

July 30th, 2003 at 12:10 pm

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hey…just wanted to let you know, we're getting your story out at linkfilter.net as well…here's the link!

98 | Paul

July 30th, 2003 at 1:39 pm

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Jennifer – you say you don't have any software for your G4. There is an incredible amount of freeware and shareware software available for OS X. Check out Version Tracker. I run OS X on my 5? year old 266Mhz beige Mac (i.e. a generation or more older than your G4) and it works great. Not insanely fast on that Mac, but not horribly slow either. In my opinion, $129 for OS X is a great deal…

99 | ptd

July 30th, 2003 at 1:53 pm

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As a itunes user… ditch buymusic, itunes is worth the wait. I realize that I am a bit biassed, but I am sick of these bastards and their horrid service.

100 | Jerry Stegmaier

July 30th, 2003 at 3:06 pm

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Jennifer, I apologize.

I was incensed by ignorance and shouldn't have done that. Thank you for taking the time to edit that message.

-Jerry

101 | Bill

July 30th, 2003 at 3:37 pm

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Jen, I’m sorry you invested so much in the pc but that’s no reason to let the Mac get dusty. With osx the difference in platforms gets less and less noticeable every day but the "fit and finish" on software will waste more time for you than any slight edge the hardware has. I work on both platforms as well
Also the profit margins in the pc world where money and market share are king do not allow a company the room for customer service in the profit structure. The whole industry is based on providing the minimum they can get away with thus a half assed auto response and the old 3'rd party not MY problem runaround. I have a lot of trouble with an articulate intelligent person like yourself getting in bed with that whole icky marketing ethos. You seem to have kept the "quality matters" part of your Mac experience with you. You are the "stranger in a strange land" don’t throw good money after bad and save up for a new g5, we want you back on the Mac side.

102 | Draino

July 30th, 2003 at 11:40 am

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Didn't catch the Win2k part.. That sucks. I am actually not shocked about the Win2k/Roxio problems. I remember having to re-install the software and like 10 updates and then re-install the main executable for it to ever work with my burner in Win2k.. Thanks for the heads up with your experience(s). Roxio also had to pull out the DirectCD software from Win2k because it never worked, or didn't work well.

103 | Anonymous

July 30th, 2003 at 11:34 am

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er, I don't get why your G4 is collecting dust.

104 | Robert Jung

July 30th, 2003 at 11:38 am

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Yeah, the mac vs. pc debate is getting tired. But I must say that it is a coincidence how one platform can contain so much quality and the other one gets a load of crap all the time. Do companies hate PC-users that much?

"You cannot build a house with rotten wood."
–Confucious

105 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 11:23 am

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Draino – you don't get the "burn cd" button until you select a plugin by which to burn a cd. The other "options" they offer there – you have to choose one. Since I'm on Windows 2000 – the only option available to me is Roxio.

Either way – I would have gladly tried more things IF I had gotten a customer support rep that suggested things to me. (Or how about a customer support rep that could read). I'm assuming that since they said they refunded the money, that if I try to play those songs now it will say I don't own the license. (I'm worried they'll charge my card if I try to play them again, figuring I changed my mind)

I mean this in all honesty – I had been really psyched about their service initially, and was really disappointed that 1) it didn't work and 2) their customer support is null.

Instead, I presented problems I was having and was told it wasn't their concern. (As I said before, I'm just glad I got my money back! I think there's alot of other people who have had problems too and haven't gotten their money back).

106 | Rudolph

July 30th, 2003 at 11:16 am

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The problems Jennifer is facing are, IMHO, but the first tremors of the quakes of the problems we're going to see once Microsoft has tied your rights to the motherboard with Palladium.

Your rights will expire, you won't be able to treat files the way you want to because you won't have enough rights anymore. The PC will become a vehicle for content companies to push their products to you without you having any control over the files you're using.
This is a really scary prospect. We are nearing the time when the computer will be as functional as a toaster. Expect more content-driven companies without clue 1 about what makes the net tick pushing their stuff onto your hard disk. You will no longer control your computer, Microsoft will control your computer. Has anyone taken the trouble of reading the End User License Agreement of Windows XP SP1 ? That's where we're heading.
Now you still have a choice, when Palladium is in place you will no longer have a choice. Except maybe one choice : nobody can force you to buy a computer that is equipped with that architecture. What will happen though is that you will no longer be able to enjoy "the full experience". "This website requires a Palladium equipped computer. Thank you for your interest in our products".
Don't let it happen, people. It's not a good thing.

107 | Draino

July 30th, 2003 at 11:15 am

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Jennifer,

I agree that if something is crashing during authentication, then it is buymusic.com's fault. But I believe you are incorrect with the Roxio plugin. Read carefully.

11. In the Items on Device pane, click one of the following:

I suggest *not* clicking on Roxio, and just clicking on Audio CD. This does not say you have to click on Roxio. It sounds like they have this option in here for those who have installed Roxio Easy CD Creator.

108 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 10:29 am

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On the mac vs. pc thing – I'm just referring to the general "make the switch" comments. (You sound interested) ;-)

Seriously, though – If I was on some unique operating system, then I can see the response being "get with the program" but at last count, PC had the largest share of the market. It's not unreasonable for me to expect to get a decent music-downloading service. I KNOW SOMEONE will come out with something that works. (Maybe Apple, maybe someone else) Whatever it is – my posting this was partially to help anyone else who might be thinking about buying from buymusic.com – but also as a clear statement about what doesn't work with buymusic.com and WHY. I'm not trying to put them out of business – I'd love them to clean up their act! But they don't seem interested in feedback from their users (as evident by the standard form responses everyone is getting).

As for emusic, and other services – most don't have the music I'm looking for (The CDs I tried to buy from buymusic – one was one I only heard of thanks to launch.yahoo.com – which by the way is a really cool (and free!!!) online personalized radio service – the other CD was from Linkin Park.) And other "pay for streaming music" – not ready to pay for radio yet, but if I am, I'll probably give my cash to launch.yahoo.com first.

Actually if anyone out there reading this is developing a better music system – try teaming up with launch.yahoo.com. I listen to my personalized radio station there ALL THE TIME and have discovered SO MUCH MORE music because they recommend and play other artists that are similar to the ones I like – I can rate them – or ask never to play them again… It's very cool (Maybe I should do a seperate (good) review just for them)

109 | Jerry Stegmaier

July 30th, 2003 at 10:30 am

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Apple licensed Xerox's technology, {edited}. There was no stealing done by Apple. Stealing has been Microsoft's forte.

{Note by the author of this site: No name calling allowed here. I appreciate your opinion, but I don't have time to come here and edit people's comments. Be nice to each other or I delete and ban. You're free to give your point of view – as everyone else here is too}

110 | Draino

July 30th, 2003 at 11:00 am

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Where does it say on their website you *have* to use a Roxio plugin?.. It just says Windows Media Player 9.. it says that the roxio plugin is an *option* from what I can understand from the site. I think you should uninstall Roxio Easy CD Creator and try again.

111 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 11:07 am

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You do have to – I'll modify the post to include this link becuase I think I've linked to it in the comments several times (but obviously this comment thread has become unusable) :)

Here's the link again:
http://www.buymusic.com/support/help.aspx#Howto_Burn
See item #11. That "verifying your license" before it burns the CD – that's what the Roxio plugin in does. That's what crashes.

112 | Nick

July 30th, 2003 at 10:20 am

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Wow, thanks for the post! Truthfully, I actually had the exact same problem, up until the refund deal. I was willing to actually spend a little more money and convert my files to a burnable format which any computer can handle. :-) In addition, I thought it was just my computer that crashed when burning cds in windows 2000, go figure. I guess it's everyone's computer. I definitely agree that buymusic.com is not up to snuff and lacks that extra mile that most companies go to when supporting customers.

113 | Lucas Holt

July 30th, 2003 at 10:14 am

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First, apple did not steal from xerox. Apple PAID xerox for use of the technology. Microsoft stole from apple and xerox.

Many of you have asked what happens if you lose your operating system with buymusic. I can't comment on that, but I can on the iTunes store. I just lost my Mac OS X install a week ago. I bought 106 songs from iTunes music store and all of them work.

Apple's security model has you authenticate up to 3 computers and unlimited devices (ipods only) or you can burn a cd. You do not lose one of those 3 authentications with the os. It uses your mac address (ethernet) to generate the code. When i installed mac os over, it just worked. With apple's servce, you need to backup the mp4 files on CD in case of a hard drive crash, but you won't lose money. Just make sure you deauthenticate before you throw out your old mac (or sell it).

I am a switcher, but I have a PC around for work. I'm waiting for iTunes for windows so I can use my sound blaster audigy with the music i bought. :)

114 | Dean Lewis

July 30th, 2003 at 10:07 am

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Jennifer –

I want to thank you for your telling review of BuyMusic.Com.

I'm sorry folks thought there was "gleeful" giggling by Mac users and what not early on in this thread. I personally didn't see that, especially since I'm sure the majority of them read your article and saw you had a G4 to use iTunes with until Windows iTMS comes. Honestly, the worst of it seemed to come after the complaint was made to stop mentioning Macs. :)

Everyone uses the computer they feel is best for them. I personally work with all platforms but only own (and for the foreseeable future will only own) Macs. I do have to agree, though, that BuyMusic.Com's rush to market has really fed into the opinion that companies trying to copy Apple don't do it well at all — and, in fact, do their customers a disservice. Apple has been criticized for not releasing its music store internationally, but that's because it is working very hard to forge compromises between music publishers and consumers to provide benefits to both sides. One-sided DRM, no matter whose side is being favored, only worsens the issue as dissatisfied customers turn to piracy and producers turn to draconian policies. And reading stuff like BuyMusic's possibly carrying music against artist's wishes — no matter what their "rights" are — worries me because it's attitudes like that which only set the compromises two or four steps backward!

Competition is good, so I actually hope coming music services actually work to some extent. BuyMusic, however, should be ashamed for their poor excuse of a service, however.

115 | Tipperton Thistledown

July 30th, 2003 at 9:46 am

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Ooops, forgot to sign that….

116 | Jer

July 30th, 2003 at 10:03 am

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I'd have to second the EMusic recommendation. For about the price of a CD every month, you get unlimited downloads, and no DRM crap – real MP3s! They pretty much have mostly small artists, but if that's not a problem for you (maybe it's a win), they're pretty damn good.

117 | Anonymous

July 30th, 2003 at 9:44 am

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I just have to comment…

Apple is just as guily of stealling ideas as is Microsoft!

Apple did not invent the icons, windows, dialog boxes, buttons, etc that their OS uses. Nor did Apple invent the mouse. All those ideas were copied (stolen) from Xerox's Plato project!

I'm glad you like your Macs (everyone should be happy with the choices they make) and I have no problems or complaints with Macs (to each his own). The problem I do have is that it seems to me that all Mac users feel that they have the right to put down (slander) people that prefer PCs and to call them "names" for the choices they made.

So why don't all you PC and PC user trashers just go away… nobody wants to hear your crap. "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Now back to the real topic of this thread…

I have been a long time customer of buy.com and have nothing but good experiences from them. Thanks Jennifer for the review, if I decide to use buymusic.com I will at least do so with my eyes open.

118 | shillbot

July 30th, 2003 at 9:25 am

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Here's a thought: don't buy music from RIAA-member companies. Then this kind of silly stuff will stop in short order. You do realize that music sales are twice what they were in 1993, right? They're not losing any money. You're just getting chumped so they can steal your money and the artists' money for an inferior and outdated product.

119 | Elliott

July 30th, 2003 at 9:38 am

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I didn't read your review before I purchased and got stung by crappy service as well. Bought a CD, managed to miss one track (because you download them individually) and burned the disc without incident. Then, realized I missed the track. Chunked the CD. Downloaded missing track. Then, the burn process blows up at the very end, with an odd message. After 3 attempts, I realized that it wouldn't let me burn again because of the license.

E-mailed customer service… got basically the same message "can't help you. Licenses gone".

I e-mailed back and told them that that response was unacceptible. That they had lost a customer. Then, my case was "escalated". That was 3 days ago. I haven't heard from them since…

DON'T DO IT!

120 | Sean

July 30th, 2003 at 8:25 am

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Perhaps you can use the Dimensional Warp Generator to teleport your songs from your primary PC to your secondary PC! ;)

http://www.inertramblings.com/archives/000168.html

121 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 8:50 am

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Brian, sorry – one more clarification. Their "expert" email to me didn't ask me to not use the Roxio plugin. (I wish I had it in front of me to copy and paste exactly).

Basically their email implied that I was using the FULL VERSION of the Roxio application to try and burn the music cd. (I wasn't) It wasn't that they were saying use Windows Media Player without the plugin – they were saying to use it INSTEAD of Roxio (the application). (So, basically, they skimmed my email to them – saw that I mentioned something about Roxio and just assumed from there.)

122 | Jennifer

July 30th, 2003 at 7:18 am

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Brian – You can't burn a MUSIC cd without the plugin (oh sure, I can burn a copy of the files themselves – but to burn a CD thats playable in a CD player you have to use that plugin). On this page it's on line #11:
In the Items on Device pane, click one of the following:
Audio CD (available only on Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional)
Data CD (available only on Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional)
HighMAT CD (available only on Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional)
Roxio CD Burning (available only on Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Millennium Edition (Me), and Windows 2000)
Before tracks are copied to your CD, they are inspected and, in some cases, converted to a file type. This process takes several minutes.
{emphasis mine}

It's THAT step – the part where it verifies the license – that step is accomplished by the plugin – not Win. Media Player. That is where it crashed. Every time. It would start to verify the license – and then crash.

123 | brian

July 30th, 2003 at 3:54 am

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An important question: Can you burn directly using Windows Media Player? Your statements are a bit unclear. If you *can* burn using WMP, did you? Or did you just use the plugin? The customer service rep told you to burn using WMP? But the way I understand it, you said you had already burned with the WMP plugin? But if WMP is not the same as the WMP plugin, then you didn't actually follow the support guy's instructions, did you? Perhaps you could clarify?

124 | SwitcherBen

July 30th, 2003 at 3:54 am

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Having converted to OS X and Linux machines after over a decade on MS products, I must say that alternatives to Windows-based products are the only thing which will keep fiascos like this from occurring.

Without iTunes as a model, BuyMusic would be even more lost than they already are. Having watched their ads in disbelief, these reports (coming from all directions now) of shoddy customer support and typical Windows compatibility and licensing problems seem to confirm yet again that biggest isn't best. Marketing a confusing product to a typically less-than-admin level knowledge base and doing so in an attempt to undercut a successful business model is shameful.

One more thing, do some digging to find out where much of BuyMusic's library is coming from. Hint: check out MacSlash for an interesting read. If you don't feel greasy as a result you may not be human…

I really feel sorry for the "rest of you" PC users who still think this is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm glad they won't let me onto their site… they don't deserve my attention outside of reading these crash and burn accounts.

125 | - - e r i k - -

July 30th, 2003 at 3:49 am

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Yeah, the mac vs. pc debate is getting tired. But I must say that it is a coincidence how one platform can contain so much quality and the other one gets a load of crap all the time. Do companies hate PC-users that much?

126 | Bill

July 30th, 2003 at 3:00 am

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Thanks for that, I was just about to purchase and album from them..

127 | JK

July 30th, 2003 at 3:23 am

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Well, I just wrote to someone at buymusic.com regarding some questions. Here are the questions I asked. If I get any response back I will post it here.

1. What happens if my computer crashes and lose my music file? Is there a way
for me to recover the music file?

2. What happens if I upgrade to another version of operating system (ex. Win98 to XP)? If I do a clean install of the operating system, I would lose the music files for sure. Again, is there a way to download those music files again?

3. If I was to buy a new computer, can I transfer the music to the new computer?

4. If I have more than one computer in the house, can I listen to the music from more than one computer? If yes how many computers am I limited to?

5. Am I limited in how many times I can burn the music files to CD?

6. Am I limited in how many hand held media players that I can transfer the music to?

7. Am I limited in length of time that I can listen to the music? Will the music files expire after some years?

8. What happends if buymusic.com goes out of business? Will my music stop playing?

9. If I were to move to country outside the US, will the music in my computer
stop playing?

10. Is there a restriction on whether I can use the music I purchased for a background music on a home made DVD?

11. Do you have plans to offer the downloadable music to Mac or Linux?

128 | Ed

July 29th, 2003 at 1:23 pm

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Apparently the BuyMusic problems aren't only with the consumers but also with artists. There was a post on "Accelerate Your Mac" (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/index.html#S15891) about an artist named Jody Whitesides who found her music on BuyMusic – only she hadn't given them permission. From the looks of things, BuyMusic got their library of music from a company called "The Orchard." Jody goes on to say "The Orchard is a distribution company that has not returned my CD's when asked, nor terminated the contract. So, without the express consent of me, BM has put it up for sale at the bargain price of $.79 a song."

The guy who runs Accelerate… says he contacted the attorney for BuyMusic and was pretty much told it's not BM's problem or concern. That what they did was legal – even if what "The Orchard" is doing is illegal.

If I can make an analogy: If someone (Orchard) steals a computer and then sells it to my friend (BuyMusic) then they sell it to me BM's has no responsibility? Multiply that by 300,000 and I think we would have the FBI involved.

It looks like BM is committing copyright infringement. Where's the RIAA now??

129 | bob

July 29th, 2003 at 11:50 pm

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ben, I do think that users should expect something different. The WMA licensing issue (un/pw for every track) is a serious usability problem, and being forced to download tracks individually is a major inconvenience, especially for a longer album.

130 | Jordan

July 30th, 2003 at 1:21 am

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Congrats, you've been Slashdotted. Brace yourself.

131 | Robert Jung

July 30th, 2003 at 1:30 am

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It's not "Mac vs. Windows", it's "quality innovation vs. cheap knockoff." It just HAPPENS that all of the "quality innovation" happens to be on the Mac side… ;-)

(Disclaimer: I use Windows and Suns at work. I *buy* Macs for myself.)

–R.J.

132 | Jon Henshaw

July 30th, 2003 at 1:42 am

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Wow, that sucks! Ya know, that's part of the reason why Mac can be awesome. Everything just works. The same company that makes the software also makes the hardware. Not to mention, Apple is awesome in creating a great user experience. By the way, if your G4 is gathering dust, I know somebody who could use it (me!).

I do hope that iTunes works just as well on Windows at the end of this year. iTunes and the iTMS are really easy to use. Basically, I've experienced the exact opposite on iTMS that you experienced with BuyMusic.

133 | Adam Lasnik

July 29th, 2003 at 4:41 am

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: sigh : because, despite BuyMusic's obnoxious advertising to the contrary, this really IS NOT about the Mac vs. PC debate, which is tired, often filled with B.S. (on both sides), and really has no place in this thread.

You know, I heard that some Macs were used at Enron. I think that MUST explain all the treachery and lawlessness there. The Macs made them do it! The Macs brought about the downfall of Enron! Probably responsible for that darn Girls of Enron Playboy issue, too (did you know that Playboy uses some Macs? Well, I didn't either, but they could! They just might!)

What we have is a crappy new service that — due to economic realities (PC users are a larger market, iTunes isn't available for PC users) has limited its service to PC users.

Their customer service stinks (that has nothing to do with PCs).
Their DRM is onerous (that has nothing to do with PCs).
Their privacy policy is outrageous (getting the drift here?)

You gleefully giggling about your beloved Macs in a thread like this would be like me jumping up and down because the author of my favorite book printed up his initial draft proposal on a Lexmark printer. Lexmark! Go Lexmark! Woo hoo! You really showed Epson how great novels are written, you sure did!

134 | spongebob

July 29th, 2003 at 4:26 am

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If the "Mac VS. PC" thing is really a non-issue (as some folks have claimed in their comments), why do some PC users get so upset when Mac users brag about their wonderful hardware/software? Why can't you just let us be happy, and go on using your PCs? What's the big deal?

135 | Gen Kanai

July 28th, 2003 at 10:14 pm

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Whoops. I mean pholist.org. Sorry!

136 | Donna Bevan

July 29th, 2003 at 2:06 am

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I had the misfortune not to read this review before I tried BuyMusic.com myself.

It was HORRIBLE. Not only could their servers not handle any requests without returning errors, but they charged my MasterCard TWICE. And I didn't even get to download any of the songs at all because of their crappy servers.

I'm demanding my money back. If anyone even reads the emails, that is. If not, I'll be contacting my credit card company.

Looks like I'll be waiting for iTunes for PCs, as well.

Donna

137 | Gen Kanai

July 28th, 2003 at 10:12 pm

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Jennifer – thank you so much for your informative review. I have sent the url on to the pholist.com community which focuses specifically on the intersection between music and technology. They'll be very interested to read your review. Thanks again for sharing with us your experience.

138 | Pam

July 28th, 2003 at 1:56 pm

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Just a note…I used to work with Buy.com which buymusic.com spawned from. Their "customer service" reps are not qualified to answer any technical questions…or any questions for that matter. They are not educated in the field. They are waiters, out of work actors, etc…people who just needed a minimum wage job. If your question cannot be answered by their canned responses, it cannot be answered by them. Congrats on the refund, you are lucky you got that!

139 | ben

July 28th, 2003 at 12:47 pm

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meh… ok… in all fairness, at first i thought you were a user, but it seems you have some sense for how the web works. my question is, seriously, did you expect anything different? in response, if i may… and no, i'm not affiliated with them or anything…
1) you just said, that's not a problem.
2) ok… you've already downloaded the music, so let's assume for a second you have a working internet connection… so it's not really a problem now is it? buymusic isn't apple… they probably can't afford to write their own mp3 player to check on the license for the song (licensing is by the by, something in WMP and is ubiquitous to that player) and still get something to compete with iTunes out any time this year.
3)no… they don't. read the site. check out http://www.buymusic.com/listprod.aspx?loc=18862&#grp52 and that little thing at the bottom… "*BuyMusic works with all of the above CDR Burners, CDR Software, CDR Media, CDR Music Storage Devices and all approved Digital Media Players that are WMA, DRM, and SDMI compliant for licensed uses."
4)duh. i mean… really. if you download the music "successfully" the first time, you are allowed to burn it, copy it so on and so forth, myes? then any subsequent downloads should probably be just for you.

i don't know, i don't like the whole business model of any of these, and if you're going to download music, go for a place that has some sort of decent select, like eMusic (no, i don't work for them either)… and quit complaining about issues that either aren't issues, or that are your own problem.

140 | steve

July 28th, 2003 at 7:29 am

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I'm a Mac OS X user, so I've been spoiled by the iTunes Music Store. There are many ways it could be improved, but BuyMusic really is awful…

I played with it a few days ago on a friend's XP machine .. here is my review…

http://tingilinde.typepad.com/starstuff/2003/07/more_on_buymusi.html

141 | Jennifer

July 28th, 2003 at 7:11 am

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Bullspit – all "returns" aside – the biggest issue here is their lack of any real customer support and the fact that once it's downloaded it's no longer their concern. I wonder if I didn't have a blog (and wasn't getting so many hits because of this review) would they have cared and given me my money back? Fact remains that I still can't guarantee it will work. Perhaps if they had just reset the license so I could actually try it on my husband's machine – instead of just issuing a refund – I MIGHT have considered buying from them again – but their turnaround time for "customer support" emails is no less than 24 hours – and computer generated.

So – buy from them if you want – don't say you weren't warned.

(And no, there's no alternate motive here – I don't work for a competitor – I'm actually a web designer that specializes in usability – and I can say for certain that their service is NOT usable!)

Oh, and pay attention… I'm a SHE.

142 | Andrew Ducker

July 28th, 2003 at 5:13 am

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Another problem here – they say that once you'e successfully downloaded the music file it's no longer their concern.

It appears that if you download hundreds of dollars of music and then suffer a hard disk crash, you have to pay for it all over again.

I don't think I'm going to take that risk, thank you very much.

143 | Bullspit

July 28th, 2003 at 1:30 am

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I think this review is most likely a biased review. He got mad, but I will not make my decision based on this review. Even though he got his money back, you only see that at the very end of the review. Many people would think that he didn't get his money back. Also he says that he is going to buy from iTunes for PC, which is quite stupid to say, because who will guarantee that you are not going to have a problem with that. If you use Quicktime for Windows, you know how crappy software Apple produce for Windows platforms. So essentially, I think the author just got mad and bashed this service. He has some points, but his claim that iTunes is better raises some eye brows and I believe his real goal may be something different there.

144 | Jennifer

July 27th, 2003 at 10:35 am

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See dead horse. See dead horse lie motionless. Kick – kick. Yup, horse definitely dead. Can we move on now?

145 | Ryan Ridge

July 27th, 2003 at 3:28 pm

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lol, nice animation. :-)

It's unfortunate this is the best Buy.com could come up with. And then to offer such lackluster support..tsk tsk.

I hope Apple's iTunes Music Store for Windows comes out soon.

146 | Mike Parker

July 27th, 2003 at 10:19 am

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Hey Jenny :)
Thanks for writing your little review of Buymusic.com
I dont have a problem with PCs – my only problem is that most pc-users seem to like the firm called Microsoft.
A firm which have been convicted time after time for trying to steal other firms, their ideas and licences.
Isnt it funny that even though Microsoft is one of the worlds largest softwarefirms – they cant manage to make anything work.
A crappy series of OS systema which will soon be attacked by another series of worms due to large ammount of sequrity holes in EACH windows version, crappy software and games – a leader with so many stolen visions but none he has made up himself.
And the list goes on. You have to think of when you switch to Windows you dont just pick a 'nice' system – you support the bad ideas and illegal methods used by Microsoft. Im on a PC myself – but using a 100% working UNIX system I dont have that bad taste in my mouth each Windows user got supporting a firm that in my oppinion should be shut down due to illegal activities.

147 | Art Veitch

July 27th, 2003 at 5:12 am

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It's not Mac vs PC, it's DRM and proprietary software versus non-DRM and open standards. I'd be willing to bet that less people will "give away" tracks they paid to download–even without DRM–compared to those who download tracks from Kazaa, etc. So why not simply trust the customer, and offer tracks as .mp3s, which ALL hardware players, computers, etc., can deal with, rather than limiting it to the few people who prefer iTunes-on-Mac or Windows Media Player on PC? And as far as the actual website goes, if standard SSL encryption is good enough for credit card info for merchants who deal in actual physical wares, it should surely be good enough for download sites, right?
(I'd prefer a flat-rate subscription to pay-per-track too, but I'm willing to concede that might not be the best, business model- or artist compensation-wise.)

148 | Jennifer

July 26th, 2003 at 11:42 pm

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Ok. Enough of the mac vs. pc bit. Seriously, it's getting old. I used to use a mac – used to be very pro mac – and then I got on windows and have been very happy. In the past couple of years, I have now invested a lot in hardware, software, etc. etc. and am very happy with it all. I won't be "making the switch" just because of buymusic.com. That's just the most rediculous thing I've ever heard of.

I WILL however (and have) installed iTunes on my mac and will use that machine to download music until apple comes out with a version for my pc.

(Believe it or not – this was a longer comment that I edited down)

Mac people like macs – PC people like their pcs. It's all a matter of personal preference and what you can live with. (But that doesn't stop me from wanting to rant and point out a flaw when I see one. Consider it part of the checks and balances of the pc-world.)

149 | Martin

July 26th, 2003 at 11:19 pm

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All I can say is more fool you if you own a Mac and you have tried so hard to make this feeble pc effort to work, when the solution is already available to you.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

150 | Adam Lasnik

July 26th, 2003 at 11:29 pm

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: banging head against a wall :

151 | M. Freely

July 26th, 2003 at 9:12 pm

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I really feel sorry for you there.

Its a damn shame what big corporation will do to sucker you into using their inept system (BuyMusic.com) by mimicking a something that works so wonderfully (iTunes Music Store).

This is more then just Mac vs PC, its outright bait and switch fraud.

If I had to use PC then I would be seriously pissed.

Everything Jennifer mentioned, I could have done in Mac without hassle. Also I subscribe to eMusic so I have best of both world. And especially with eMusic using VBR for their music its even better then before.

But I would boycott BuyMusic.com. What a joke.

And does anyone find it offensive that they are using convicted wife-beater as their spokesperson!

Just my two cents/

152 | Andy

July 26th, 2003 at 5:25 pm

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Those of you that are waiting for iTunes, hang in there it'll be here by hte end of the year.

153 | Billy

July 26th, 2003 at 4:10 pm

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Emusic is a good music site and has been around for years. Not the most elegant design, but decent. The downloads are DRM-less mp3 files which makes listening to them a lot easier.

154 | Adam Lasnik

July 26th, 2003 at 4:26 pm

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Okay, enough with the "Macs rule, PCs suck" BS.

In particular, with the topic at hand, let me remind you that while you're jumping up and down about the excitement of iTunes, we PC folks are able to access Listen.com's Rhapsody: UNLIMITED high quality streaming, pre-programmed and custom radio stations, and the ability to burn tracks to CD for 79 cents, not 99 cents.

So, in a given month for $20, I'm able to build up my own library (playable from ANY computer, not just my own), listen to hundreds of my favorite tracks (in their entirety, not just a 30 second iTunes snippet), make a custom CD with 12 tracks, and listen for hours on end to commercial-free radio stations.

Do note, by the way, that I have no affiliation with any online music services except as a customer.

There. Now that we're 'even', can we call a truce on framing this BuyMusic junk as a Mac vs. PC issue? ;)

Regards,
Adam

155 | wKen

July 26th, 2003 at 6:44 am

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So sorry that you had such a bad experience, but glad that you took the time to write about it and follow through until you got a refund.

We are an Apple household and our iPods and iTunes work perfectly. Not trying to pile on or rub salt in the wound, but there is a good reason why Mac users are fanatics. Switch!

156 | Craig

July 26th, 2003 at 2:17 am

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Well, what do you expect from the latest ripoff of something from Apple…people just never learn that the Windows world can never seem to imitate the elegance and ease of use of what Apple comes up with.

Considering that the name itself is dishonest since you can't actually "buy" any music there you shouldn't expect much. The sites "Terms and Conditions" note that content is "sublicensed" to users, "and is not sold, notwithstanding use of the terms 'sell,' 'purchase,' 'order,' or 'buy.'"

If you haven't already fire up your G4 and enjoy the iTunes Music Store. You they don't have the music you want there is an easy way to ask for it to be added. Much of what isn't there already is because some artist are still living in the stone age and won't allow digital distribution of their music.

157 | Tonetheman

July 26th, 2003 at 12:50 am

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You should check out emusic. I have had a really good experience with them. And they have a downloader that lets you download entire albums at a time. Great stuff.

158 | Jeff

July 26th, 2003 at 1:31 am

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Wow…what a horrendous experience. This BuyMusic.com is SUCH A JOKE. I can't even belive that they THINK they cam compete with what Apple has already innovated. Glad you at least got a refund. I'm never buying anything from Buy.com ever again. At least Amazon.com doesn't ban me from using their site simply because I use a Mac.

159 | jack

July 26th, 2003 at 12:23 am

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thank you.

i had my suspicians about the quality and they have been confirmed. i bought a few singles and 1 album frim iTunes music store and have to admit that it was:

1. quick
2. easy
3. convenient

i hope you give it a go with Apple again. they did it right.

160 | shane

July 25th, 2003 at 10:27 pm

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stop waiting for itunes v. windows, buy a mac!! :)

161 | Paul

July 25th, 2003 at 5:25 pm

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The real reason that they can't sell to anyone outside the US is because it's illegal to sell PII without concent in most other nations.

163 | Jennifer

July 25th, 2003 at 5:47 pm

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I'm guessing PII = Personally Identifiable Information.

I'm kind of surprised it was that easy for buymusic to slip that in there and get away with it. Privacy policy or no – that doesn't seem like something they should be allowed to bury in a several page privacy document.

164 | WirelessB

July 25th, 2003 at 1:13 pm

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What can you expect from a company whose motto is "Get Loaded"??? Maybe they should spend less time getting loaded and more time fixing their crappy product.

165 | gb

July 25th, 2003 at 4:46 pm

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As a diehard Mac user, I have to say I'm not surprised at what BuyMusic has turned out to be. I've had nothing but positive experiences with Apple's wonderful iTunes Music Store, and I'm looking forward to the day when everyone (including windows and international users) can utilize it. For those of you chomping at the bit to use it, we (as Applephiles) would like to mention that you are welcome to make the switch to a Mac. ;)

166 | Adam Lasnik

July 25th, 2003 at 1:13 pm

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Just wanted to let you all know that I created a parody of the BuyMusic logo, and wrote up a blog entry in support of Jennifer (and warning people against BuyMusic) here:
http://blog.smilezone.com/archives/000695.htm

(Feel free to copy this GIF file to your own server for your use :-)

167 | dave

July 25th, 2003 at 10:50 am

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Read this. Right now. Read it.
http://www.linuxjournal.com//print.php?sid=6989

Copy "right" has been co-opted by industry to remove choice and control from the consumer. The *real* problem here is that corporations (MS specifically) will use your difficult experience to push legally for their "Palladium"/built in rights control systems. You will be further restricted in what you can use and how you can use it.

168 | StarzAbove

July 25th, 2003 at 12:32 pm

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I am so disappointed, too, here we are trying to do the right thing by the
music industry, and this is what we get from them…  But I never even made
it so far as to try and burn the songs, since this is the message I
recieved, even though here I sit in the Midwest, smack dab in the middle of
the U.S. of A.:          "BuyMusic.com Available to Domestic Residents
Only
We’re sorry, but due to license restrictions, BuyMusic.com content is
available only to residents of the United States. Your internet protocol
(IP) address shows that you are attempting to access this web site from
outside the US. Thank you for your interest in BuyMusic.com. We apologize
for any inconvenience this might have caused. "
          I did email
them about it, and received the same (probably computer generated) message in your update, back
saying that the problem was 'escalated .. to an expert queue'.
We're going on 72 hours, even though they promise 12 hour response for
'most cases'.  Ah, well.  I'm waiting for iTunes as well, and very thankful at this point that I wasn't able to register.

169 | Dave

July 25th, 2003 at 10:20 am

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As others have said here. Thanks much for posting your experience with buymusic.com. I also had been looking at the service thinking I would burn CD's then rip them to MP3 so that I can get past the stupid WMA restriction. I'm an Windows iPod user waiting for Windows iTunes music store. I'll be staying as far away from buymusic.com as I can now. Thanks again!

170 | stingerman

July 25th, 2003 at 10:14 am

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Since you already purchased the license for the songs, go ahead and get the MP3 versions from Kazaa ;)

171 | Tony

July 25th, 2003 at 9:30 am

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Thanks for the detailed description of your experience with buymusic.com I guess I will look elsewhere for my legally downloaded music.

It is unfortunate that the record industry is missing the boat on this type of technology. I would be willing to pay for my downloaded music if it was reasonably price, easy to use, and portable to CD or MP3 player. Not sure if it will ever really happen.

172 | Arcterex

July 25th, 2003 at 2:33 am

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Wow, that completely and totally sucks. Aren't you glad though that they're not in the evil pirate format of mp3? Go DRM! (yes, that was sarcasm :)

173 | michel v

July 24th, 2003 at 9:35 pm

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And no line about buymusic's IE-only website. :(
Not only does it refuse non-IE browsers like Mozilla, its image URLs are using backwards slashes. BACKWARD SLASHES. What are we talking about, C:\My Documents\My First Webpage.html, or a website made by supposed professionals?

174 | Adam Lasnik

July 25th, 2003 at 2:31 am

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Thanks for a well-written and USEFUL editorial. I definitely will *NOT* be even trying out their service. What a crock!

On a related note, I'd invite you to try out Rhapsody or PressPlay. I've not tried burning CDs with either service, but my customer services with Rhapsody have been excellent, and my friends have had good luck with PressPlay.

175 | eve

July 24th, 2003 at 8:35 pm

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I went to their site yesterday and nosed around. It really sucked in my opinion. They are going to have to do a lot better than that before I download and pay for music online. You think the music industry would get their act together at some point – but then I guess things haven't changed much – I mean you do have a lot of old men who don't get the internet in charge of the whole thing. And now with them selling your info – double no thanks!

176 | brian w

July 24th, 2003 at 5:29 pm

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Can you contact your credit card company and dispute the charge? Visa is usually good about dealing with problems customers have with jerky merchants.

177 | Jennifer

July 24th, 2003 at 5:48 pm

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My latest email to them included a link to this review and also stated that I was planning on contacting my visa company. I'm giving them one last chance to turn this around.

178 | Ken Edwards

July 24th, 2003 at 6:19 pm

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Jennifer – WOW. well thanks for posting ur experiences, even if it breaks with your format ;)

I am also waiting for the iTunes Music Store for Windows, but for the time being I am happily using it on my PowerBook.

It really is a shame that this is that bad. This will, in the long run, give Apple even more publicity once the iTunes Music Store launches for Windows. Which is a Good Thing ™.

179 | Chad

July 24th, 2003 at 4:24 pm

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Thanks a lot for posting your experience with them. I was checking them out just yesterday, but didn't get around to actually buying anything from them. Now I definately won't.

180 | The Goddess Speaks

July 24th, 2003 at 11:37 pm

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Buyer Beware
Jennifer over at Scriptygoddess has a warning about buymusic.com. She's not a very satisfied customer.

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