But anyway, both have tons of templates in the Net, so both are good. =)

I wrote Pages+, back in the WordPress 1.x days. The architecture of WordPress has changed somewhat since then, so the plugin would require a complete rewrite. I initially put a lot of time and effort into the plugin, but got very little feedback, although it's nice to read comments like Chris' above.

I'll have a look into what it would take to make it work with WP 2.x

Thanks, Adam

Try the Pages+ plugin. I don't think it is being updated anymore, but it still works for us. The plugin PageMash plugin you mentioned works great for a few hundred pages, but any more and it takes forver to load, for us it has to download the entire page list of thousands.

Pages+ will only load the top level, and then let you drill down.

With our page count though we run into another problem, the Page Parent dropdown when editing a page takes forever to load, we had to hack the core to cache the results so at least only the first load was bad.

also, being the coder/developer (or codeveloper if you will ) instead of the user/admin, i sometimes get behind on what's actually happening on the front end… when i took a look for myself, i found that POSTS could be assigned to multiple categories with a checkbox list.

however, categories still can only have one category parent.

i'm hoping to see the process of selecting a category's parent category(ies) to be the same as selecting a post's parent category(ies).

so if you have CATEGORIES named "Red Things" and "Clothing Items" — under which CATEGORY do you put the "Red Shirt"?

re: tags
the red shirt may also have any number of TAGS such as "red", "clothing", "faded", "cotton", etc IN ADDITION to being a member of the two categories — and being able to be found under both of those categories listings.

for example, i was working on a blog that had the category "Obesity" under "Ailments" and ANOTHER category named "Obesity" under "Health and Nutrition".

it was discussed maybe a little too much… but the most agreed upon solution was to divide them into 2 separate categories with separate posts BECAUSE WordPress did not/could not allow a SINGLE category to be under MULTIPLE parent categories.

with the advent of WP 2.* (i forget the actual version) category names had to be unique. so our upgrade went a little wonky. i've since fixed that problem (and i can't even remember how) but we're still stuck with 2 separate "Obesity" categories with no matching posts — where we would be well served to have ONE "Obesity" category with ALL of the Obesity articles under the TWO categories…

Probably the oldest and best example of a well maintained classification scheme that allows things to be in more than one tree is the National Library of Medicine's Medical Subject Headings (MeSH) ( http://www.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/meshhome.html ) where, for example, the term "Diabetes Mellitus, Type 2 " exists in both the Nutritional and Metabolic Diseases tree and the Endocrine System Diseases tree.

It's a lot of work to maintain such structures, but sometimes worth the effort.

Would I be right in thinking that tags+hierarchy = 'category straddling' or is there some other element missing?