Comments on: Drinking the CSS Koolaid http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:51:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Julik http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11317 Julik Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11317 For me the reason I made a move to CSS was the fact that I had to write web-apps. The more HTML you have to manage from a web-app - the more problems you have. As soon as you will prove that to your developers - the better the output will be (and they will also have some time to spare in the end). For me the reason I made a move to CSS was the fact that I had to write web-apps. The more HTML you have to manage from a web-app - the more problems you have.
As soon as you will prove that to your developers - the better the output will be (and they will also have some time to spare in the end).

]]> By: Daynah http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11318 Daynah Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11318 For my last few projects, I've been slowly moving towards CSS and I've been getting more compliments on my work. The things you can do with CSS is amazing. You change one item, and your entire website is consistent! And also, it makes changing themes so much easier. I implemented a theme system in one of my software, so each user could view the site with their own color and font preference. I had a few stylesheets that took care of the font sizes, and a few color theme style sheets. The user was able to mix and match, and all I had to do was print out the sm-font.css, med-font.css, or lg-font.css for the font sizes. And theme-red.css, theme-blue.css, or theme-green.css for the themes. :) Another project that I did was separate the content from the design. The content managers would only add text to a document, while the design was handled by me. And for the developer side, all they had to do was add their code, and I'd snead in a class = something and their page instantly becomes 'pretty.' :) For my last few projects, I've been slowly moving towards CSS and I've been getting more compliments on my work. The things you can do with CSS is amazing. You change one item, and your entire website is consistent! And also, it makes changing themes so much easier. I implemented a theme system in one of my software, so each user could view the site with their own color and font preference. I had a few stylesheets that took care of the font sizes, and a few color theme style sheets. The user was able to mix and match, and all I had to do was print out the sm-font.css, med-font.css, or lg-font.css for the font sizes. And theme-red.css, theme-blue.css, or theme-green.css for the themes. :)
Another project that I did was separate the content from the design. The content managers would only add text to a document, while the design was handled by me. And for the developer side, all they had to do was add their code, and I'd snead in a class = something and their page instantly becomes 'pretty.' :)

]]> By: Peter http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11319 Peter Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11319 score one more for the good guys. congrats on getting it. i am working my way through css boot camp myself. score one more for the good guys. congrats on getting it. i am working my way through css boot camp myself.

]]> By: Bob http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11320 Bob Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11320 Good luck with the transition; at my workplace we've been unable to use CSS sheets for layout due to the need to cut and paste entire self-contained sections from one page to another...thus the layout is never consistent enough to support a universal stylesheet. Still, inline CSS is better than "font" tags and supports scripting better...and we've been able to use style sheets for colors, fonts, and other window dressing quite nicely. Good luck with the transition; at my workplace we've been unable to use CSS sheets for layout due to the need to cut and paste entire self-contained sections from one page to another…thus the layout is never consistent enough to support a universal stylesheet.

Still, inline CSS is better than "font" tags and supports scripting better…and we've been able to use style sheets for colors, fonts, and other window dressing quite nicely.

]]> By: Satoshi http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11321 Satoshi Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11321 Heh, I do the same in my Web Page Development class. I'm usually in charge of making the page layouts for my team, so I make a simple page with HTML and do all the good layout stuff with CSS. Most of my team has never worked with raw HTML before, and prefer to use FrontPage and/or Dreamweaver (why the heck would a Web Page class teach THOSE programs???), so I have comment tags in there like this: <!-- INSERT CONTENT MATERIAL BELOW THIS LINE --> <!-- INSERT CONTENT MATERIAL ABOVE THIS LINE --> The html files turn out surprisingly small, and don't give my teammates the oppourtunity to mess too much of it up. Heh, I do the same in my Web Page Development class. I'm usually in charge of making the page layouts for my team, so I make a simple page with HTML and do all the good layout stuff with CSS. Most of my team has never worked with raw HTML before, and prefer to use FrontPage and/or Dreamweaver (why the heck would a Web Page class teach THOSE programs???), so I have comment tags in there like this:

<!– INSERT CONTENT MATERIAL BELOW THIS LINE –>

<!– INSERT CONTENT MATERIAL ABOVE THIS LINE –>

The html files turn out surprisingly small, and don't give my teammates the oppourtunity to mess too much of it up.

]]> By: Alex http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11322 Alex Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11322 "Now it starts to make sense" Ah,.. (sob,..) listening to your moment of clarity almost brings a tear to the eye. It's not quite Utopia in CSS Valley. The problems aren't gone, they're just different, but it just 'feels' clean working with XHTML/CSS layouts after a while. You feel dirty going back. Of course, getting clients to understand the philosophy when you you hand them a WYSIWYG CMS is another matter entirely. "But why shouldn't I keep using tables?.. And why hasn't this editor panel got a font selector?...I like Verdana, Times New Roman AND Courier!" Hmm... well it's like his.. "Now it starts to make sense"

Ah,.. (sob,..) listening to your moment of clarity almost brings a tear to the eye.

It's not quite Utopia in CSS Valley. The problems aren't gone, they're just different, but it just 'feels' clean working with XHTML/CSS layouts after a while. You feel dirty going back.

Of course, getting clients to understand the philosophy when you you hand them a WYSIWYG CMS is another matter entirely.

"But why shouldn't I keep using tables?.. And why hasn't this editor panel got a font selector?…I like Verdana, Times New Roman AND Courier!"

Hmm… well it's like his..

]]> By: Carrie http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11323 Carrie Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11323 I started using css a couple years ago for positioning and adore it. I keep looking around and wondering if I'm off on a tangent or something though because no one else seems to use it! :) I still use basic tables to keep the page fluid, in some cases, but a great looking page can be had with zero tables.. which are the bane of my design experience :) I started using css a couple years ago for positioning and adore it. I keep looking around and wondering if I'm off on a tangent or something though because no one else seems to use it! :)
I still use basic tables to keep the page fluid, in some cases, but a great looking page can be had with zero tables.. which are the bane of my design experience :)

]]> By: Vix http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11324 Vix Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11324 The idea of having content separate from design is really heaven-sent. Aside from having cleaner code, it means people are less likely to foul up your work :D The idea of having content separate from design is really heaven-sent. Aside from having cleaner code, it means people are less likely to foul up your work :D

]]> By: Rodent Regatta http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11325 Rodent Regatta Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.scriptygoddess.com/archives/2004/05/06/drinking-the-css-koolaid/#comment-11325 <trackback /><strong>For Those Not Persuaded</strong> If you've had a hard time accepting that standards-based designs - in which content (XHTML) and style (CSS) are separated... For Those Not Persuaded
If you've had a hard time accepting that standards-based designs - in which content (XHTML) and style (CSS) are separated…

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